Margaret Loveluck  ‎(I343)‎
Given Names: Margaret
Surname: Loveluck

Gender: FemaleFemale
      

Birth: 1857 52 41
Death: Yes
Personal Facts and Details
Birth 1857 52 41
Christening 26 April 1857 Llancarfan, Glamorgan, Wales


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Show Details Source: Llancarfan ‎(St Cadoc)‎ parish register

Citation Details:  Baptisms 1696-1900 ‎(PR Index)‎. Extracted by Robert Sterry
  Text: 1857 Apr 26 Margaret d John and Mary Loveluck, Farmer, Moulton ‎(The IGI has birth Apr 26 and baptism Apr 29, 1857)‎
Quality of Data: 3

Marriage ‎(unknown)‎ Thomas -

Show Details Shared Note: - Janet Hearle states married (? or lived?) Kimbolten

31-May-06
Possible 1881 census entry ‎(cf letter Lynne Davis 20 Apr 06)‎:
Dwelling:6 Allens Row
Census Place:Wellingborough, Northampton, England
Source:FHL Film 1341378 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1573 Folio 21 Page 35
MarrAgeSexBirthplace
John THOMASM38 MCarnarvon
Rel:Head
Occ:Farm Labourer
Margaret THOMAS M25 FGlamorgan
Rel:Wife
David THOMAS 2 MCarmarthen
Rel:Son
John E. THOMAS 1 MChichester, Sussex, England

Possible mariage:
Marriages Dec 1881
GRIFFITHS Margaret Neath 11a933
ISAAC Rees Neath 11a933
REES Mary Ann Neath 11a933
Thomas John Neath 11a933

But this doesn't fit in with census entry.

I wasn't able to find a FreeBMD record of the birth of John E Thomas in 1880 in Sussex, however, I did find a John E Griffiths:
Births Jan-Mar 1880 Griffiths, John Edward Westhampnett RD, Sussex, 2b 413
‎(Westhampnett is quite close to Chichester)‎

I wonder if the two children in the 1881 census were really children of Margaret's previous marriage, and were recorded as Thomas to disguise the fact that Margaret was not actually married to John Thomas at the time?

Lynne Davis, letter 8/9-Jun-07:

1891 Census
RG12/4516 Ffald

Mary Lovelock 74, head, wid., farmer b m---
David Lovelock 35, farmer's son
David Thomas 13 grandson, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
William Thomas, 9, grandson, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
Margaret Thomas 7, grand-daughter, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Thomas 3 grand-daughter, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire

I couldn't find a FreeBMD record for Elizabeth in Northamptonshire, but I did find one for Margaret Jane) :
Births Dec 1883 THOMAS, Margaret Jane Wellingbro' 3b 163

There is also a William Thomas Griffiths born Wellinbro' RD:
Births Dec 1881 GRIFFITHS, William Thomas Wellingbro' 3b 163

Marriage Thomas Richard Griffiths - about September 1877 ‎(Age 20)‎ Registration District, Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales


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Source: Loveluck Family Tree

Show Details Source: FreeBMD
Publication: On-line Birth Marriage and Death Index to GRO http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Citation Details:  Marriages Sep 1877 Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen ref 11a 919
  Text: Marriages Sep 1877
Griffiths Eugenia Carmarthen 11a 919
Griffiths Thomas Richard Carmarthen 11a 919
Llewellyn David Carmarthen 11a 919
Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen 11a 919

Quality of Data: 3


Shared Note: - Married St David's Carmarthen
DeathYes
Globally unique Identifier DFA2E764020449AE9F4796DFEE83824B62B8
Last Change 6 October 2007 - 11:09
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Parents Family  (F40)
John Loveluck
1804 - 1889
Mary Lloyd
1816 - 1892
Ann Loveluck
1837 - 1914
Mary Loveluck
1838 -
Elizabeth Loveluck
1841 -
Martha Loveluck
1846 -
Edward Loveluck
1849 - 1871
David Loveluck
1852 - 1935
Thomas Loveluck
1854 - 1855
Margaret Loveluck
1857 -

Immediate Family  (F107)
Thomas Richard Griffiths
-
‎(unknown)‎ Griffiths
-
‎(unknown)‎ Griffiths
-

Immediate Family  (F106)
‎(unknown)‎ Thomas
-
‎(unknown)‎ Thomas
-
‎(unknown)‎ Thomas
-


Notes

Shared Note
From the notes of Janet Hearle:
Margaret ‎(nee Loveluck)‎ Griffiths had six children according to her granddaughter Elizabeth Griffiths to whom we are indebted for much information: but three daughters and one son had the surname Thomas, and two sons had the surname Griffiths, so Margaret probably married twice; but Elizabeth Griffiths only had possession of the Griffiths - Loveluck marriage certificate. She also said her grandparents went to Kimbolton or Wellingborough in Northamptonshire when they were married, and that at one time they kept the Fox hotel, Kimbolton and had a milk round.

Marriage Janet Hearle states married ‎(? or lived?)‎ Kimbolten

31-May-06
Possible 1881 census entry ‎(cf letter Lynne Davis 20 Apr 06)‎:
Dwelling:6 Allens Row
Census Place:Wellingborough, Northampton, England
Source:FHL Film 1341378 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1573 Folio 21 Page 35
MarrAgeSexBirthplace
John THOMASM38 MCarnarvon
Rel:Head
Occ:Farm Labourer
Margaret THOMAS M25 FGlamorgan
Rel:Wife
David THOMAS 2 MCarmarthen
Rel:Son
John E. THOMAS 1 MChichester, Sussex, England

Possible mariage:
Marriages Dec 1881
GRIFFITHS Margaret Neath 11a933
ISAAC Rees Neath 11a933
REES Mary Ann Neath 11a933
Thomas John Neath 11a933

But this doesn't fit in with census entry.

I wasn't able to find a FreeBMD record of the birth of John E Thomas in 1880 in Sussex, however, I did find a John E Griffiths:
Births Jan-Mar 1880 Griffiths, John Edward Westhampnett RD, Sussex, 2b 413
‎(Westhampnett is quite close to Chichester)‎

I wonder if the two children in the 1881 census were really children of Margaret's previous marriage, and were recorded as Thomas to disguise the fact that Margaret was not actually married to John Thomas at the time?

Lynne Davis, letter 8/9-Jun-07:

1891 Census
RG12/4516 Ffald

Mary Lovelock 74, head, wid., farmer b m---
David Lovelock 35, farmer's son
David Thomas 13 grandson, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
William Thomas, 9, grandson, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
Margaret Thomas 7, grand-daughter, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Thomas 3 grand-daughter, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire

I couldn't find a FreeBMD record for Elizabeth in Northamptonshire, but I did find one for Margaret Jane) :
Births Dec 1883 THOMAS, Margaret Jane Wellingbro' 3b 163

There is also a William Thomas Griffiths born Wellinbro' RD:
Births Dec 1881 GRIFFITHS, William Thomas Wellingbro' 3b 163

Marriage Janet Hearle states married ‎(? or lived?)‎ Kimbolten

31-May-06
Possible 1881 census entry ‎(cf letter Lynne Davis 20 Apr 06)‎:
Dwelling:6 Allens Row
Census Place:Wellingborough, Northampton, England
Source:FHL Film 1341378 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1573 Folio 21 Page 35
MarrAgeSexBirthplace
John THOMASM38 MCarnarvon
Rel:Head
Occ:Farm Labourer
Margaret THOMAS M25 FGlamorgan
Rel:Wife
David THOMAS 2 MCarmarthen
Rel:Son
John E. THOMAS 1 MChichester, Sussex, England

Possible mariage:
Marriages Dec 1881
GRIFFITHS Margaret Neath 11a933
ISAAC Rees Neath 11a933
REES Mary Ann Neath 11a933
Thomas John Neath 11a933

But this doesn't fit in with census entry.

I wasn't able to find a FreeBMD record of the birth of John E Thomas in 1880 in Sussex, however, I did find a John E Griffiths:
Births Jan-Mar 1880 Griffiths, John Edward Westhampnett RD, Sussex, 2b 413
‎(Westhampnett is quite close to Chichester)‎

I wonder if the two children in the 1881 census were really children of Margaret's previous marriage, and were recorded as Thomas to disguise the fact that Margaret was not actually married to John Thomas at the time?

Lynne Davis, letter 8/9-Jun-07:

1891 Census
RG12/4516 Ffald

Mary Lovelock 74, head, wid., farmer b m---
David Lovelock 35, farmer's son
David Thomas 13 grandson, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
William Thomas, 9, grandson, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
Margaret Thomas 7, grand-daughter, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Thomas 3 grand-daughter, born Wellingbro, Northamptonshire

I couldn't find a FreeBMD record for Elizabeth in Northamptonshire, but I did find one for Margaret Jane) :
Births Dec 1883 THOMAS, Margaret Jane Wellingbro' 3b 163

There is also a William Thomas Griffiths born Wellinbro' RD:
Births Dec 1881 GRIFFITHS, William Thomas Wellingbro' 3b 163

Marriage Married St David's Carmarthen


Source: Loveluck Family Tree

Marriage Married St David's Carmarthen


Source: Loveluck Family Tree


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Sources

Source
Loveluck Family Tree
Christening Llancarfan ‎(St Cadoc)‎ parish register
Citation Details:  Baptisms 1696-1900 ‎(PR Index)‎. Extracted by Robert Sterry
  Text: 1857 Apr 26 Margaret d John and Mary Loveluck, Farmer, Moulton ‎(The IGI has birth Apr 26 and baptism Apr 29, 1857)‎
Quality of Data: 3
Marriage Loveluck Family Tree
Marriage FreeBMD
Publication: On-line Birth Marriage and Death Index to GRO http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Citation Details:  Marriages Sep 1877 Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen ref 11a 919
  Text: Marriages Sep 1877
Griffiths Eugenia Carmarthen 11a 919
Griffiths Thomas Richard Carmarthen 11a 919
Llewellyn David Carmarthen 11a 919
Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen 11a 919

Quality of Data: 3
Marriage Loveluck Family Tree
Marriage FreeBMD
Publication: On-line Birth Marriage and Death Index to GRO http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Citation Details:  Marriages Sep 1877 Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen ref 11a 919
  Text: Marriages Sep 1877
Griffiths Eugenia Carmarthen 11a 919
Griffiths Thomas Richard Carmarthen 11a 919
Llewellyn David Carmarthen 11a 919
Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen 11a 919

Quality of Data: 3
Marriage Loveluck Family Tree
Marriage FreeBMD
Publication: On-line Birth Marriage and Death Index to GRO http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Citation Details:  Marriages Sep 1877 Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen ref 11a 919
  Text: Marriages Sep 1877
Griffiths Eugenia Carmarthen 11a 919
Griffiths Thomas Richard Carmarthen 11a 919
Llewellyn David Carmarthen 11a 919
Loveluck Margaret Carmarthen 11a 919

Quality of Data: 3

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Family with Parents
Father
John Loveluck ‎(I30)‎
Birth 19 December 1804 30 29 Margam, Glamorgan, Wales
Death 1889 ‎(Age 84)‎ Llangynog, Carmarthenshire, Wales
11 years
Mother
 
Mary Lloyd ‎(I137)‎
Birth 1816 Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan, Wales
Death 7 June 1892 ‎(Age 76)‎ Llangynog, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Marriage: 26 March 1836 -- Llantwit Major, Glamorgan, Wales
9 months
#1
Sister
Ann Loveluck ‎(I330)‎
Birth 1837 32 21 Hafod Halog, Margam, Glamorgan, Wales
Death 4 April 1914 ‎(Age 77)‎ Penarth, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
1 year
#2
Sister
Mary Loveluck ‎(I332)‎
Birth 1838 33 22
Death Yes
3 years
#3
Sister
Elizabeth Loveluck ‎(I338)‎
Birth 1841 36 25 Registration District, Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
Death Yes
5 years
#4
Sister
Martha Loveluck ‎(I336)‎
Birth about 1846 41 30 Pyle, Glamorgan, Wales
Death Yes
3 years
#5
Brother
Edward Loveluck ‎(I340)‎
Birth 1849 44 33 Registration District, Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Death 1871 ‎(Age 22)‎ Registration District, Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales
3 years
#6
Brother
David Loveluck ‎(I341)‎
Birth 1852 47 36 Alvaes, Glamorgan, Wales
Death 1935 ‎(Age 83)‎
2 years
#7
Brother
Thomas Loveluck ‎(I342)‎
Birth 1854 49 38
Death about March 1855 ‎(Age 14 months)‎ Registration District, Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales
3 years
#8
Margaret Loveluck ‎(I343)‎
Birth 1857 52 41
Death Yes
Family with Thomas Richard Griffiths
Husband
Margaret Loveluck ‎(I343)‎
Birth 1857 52 41
Death Yes

Marriage: about September 1877 -- Registration District, Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales
#1
Child
#2
Child
Family with ‎(unknown)‎ Thomas
Husband
Margaret Loveluck ‎(I343)‎
Birth 1857 52 41
Death Yes

#1
Child
#2
Child