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Mary Ann FineckAge: 71 years18541925

Name
Mary Ann Fineck
Given names
Mary Ann
Surname
Fineck
Birth between 1854 and 1855
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageFrederick LovelockView this family
yes

Citation details: descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
Quality of data: primary evidence
Birth of a son
#1
John Alfred G S Lovelock
10 November 1878 (Age 24 years)
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann; Daur' in 1881.
Note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
Birth of a son
#2
Charles William Lovelock
5 January 1881 (Age 27 years)
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1881 in Farnham RD, ref 2a 106
Text:

Charles William Lovelock

Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Located RL c. 28/2/07.
Text:

Farnham RD, ref 2a 106

Note: Birth and baptism details contained in 'British Armed Forces, Roman Catholic Registers' data at Findmypast website.
CensusFrederick LovelockView this family
1881 (Age 27 years)
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.
Note: Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at the Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (s…
Christening of a sonCharles William Lovelock
6 February 1881 (Age 27 years)
Note: Birth and baptism details contained in 'British Armed Forces, Roman Catholic Registers' data at Findmypast website.
Birth of a daughter
#3
Mary Amoi Catherine Eliza Lovelock
1 January 1891 (Age 37 years)
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1891 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 44
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
CensusFrederick LovelockView this family
1891 (Age 37 years)

Source: Nigel Gerdes
Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
Citation details: email message 12-Feb-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Note: 19 School Road, Hound, Hampshire, England
Marriage of a childJohn Alfred G S LovelockFlorence ButlerView this family
between October 1899 and December 1899 (Age 45 years)
Source: GRO - FreeBMD
Citation details: Marriage in 4Q 1899 in Fulham RD, ref 1a 499
Text:

Names on page: Anstead, Henry George Butler, Florence Clark, Elizabeth Lovelock, John Alfred G S

Quality of data: primary evidence
CensusFrederick LovelockView this family
1901 (Age 47 years)

Source: Nigel Gerdes
Citation details: email message 30-Nov-05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: email message 26-Jan-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Note: Middle Road, Sholing, Hampshire, England
Marriage of a childCharles William LovelockElizabeth Catherine WalkerView this family
1 March 1902 (Age 48 years)
Text:

1902 LOVELOCK Charles William 5908 Marriage

Note: RL 16/6/07: RL 16/6/06: above text taken from website entry rather than being put in 'usual' (GRO) f…
Shared note: RL 21/6/07:
Census 1911 (Age 57 years)

Note: 46 Hawthorn Place, Middle Road, Sholing, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Marriage of a childJohn James MorantMary Amoi Catherine Eliza LovelockView this family
between October 1912 and December 1912 (Age 58 years)

Text:

South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 223

Death between January 1925 and March 1925 (Age 71 years)

Text:

Southampton RD, ref 2c 11 (age 71) (registered as Mary A T K Lovelock)

Family with Frederick Lovelock - View this family
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BirthGraham Lovelock
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
BirthFragment 6 - Collected Lovelock Fragments
BirthGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
Birth1921 British Census
MarriageGraham Lovelock
Citation details: descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq
Quality of data: primary evidence
MarriageGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
Census1881 British Census
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.
CensusNigel Gerdes
Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
CensusGraham Lovelock
Citation details: email message 12-Feb-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Census1891 British Census
CensusNigel Gerdes
Citation details: email message 30-Nov-05
Quality of data: primary evidence
CensusGraham Lovelock
Citation details: email message 26-Jan-06
Quality of data: primary evidence
CensusGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
CensusRobin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07
Quality of data: primary evidence
Note: RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences.
Census1901 British Census
DeathGRO Index of Deaths
Text:

Southampton RD, ref 2c 11 (age 71) (registered as Mary A T K Lovelock)

SourceRobin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07
Publication: Updated gedcom file provided by Robin Lovelock 24 Aug 2007. Includes contributions from Graham Lovelock
SourceGraham Lovelock
Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05
Quality of data: primary evidence
SourceFragment 6 - Collected Lovelock Fragments
SourceOriginating email discussion
SourceGEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database.
Birth

Fragment 6 of Collected Lovelock Fragments has Mary Ann born Gibralter [sic]

RL 17/6/07: Ages stated in series of census entries consistent so can probably be confident of birth-year range as shown - i.e. no need for "about".

Marriage

Family detail from the 1891 and 1901 censuses. Suspect th e two oldest children may be from a previous marriage of Mary Ann's.

RL 16/6/07: The above note has been entered from the earlier HTML version of the tree; the speculation may therefore have been Graham's - or it may have been associated with 'Fragment 6' ('the Wesmill tree') - although in fact both John and Charles are shown there as born in Aldershot (in 1878/9 and 1880/1 respectively) - or it may emanate from discussion around merging the latter with Graham's initial version of the Hants-to-Hereford tree . However that may be, additional data now seems to have 'overtaken' the conjecture. Given the 1881 entry - or rather entries - Frederick and Mary Ann seem to have been married by early 1881 at the latest, and Charles's birth fits with a relatively recent marriage around then. John, however, could still have been born in Malta, <i>and</i> fathered by Frederick, in or out of wedlock; it seems a reasonable assumption that Frederick, as a soldier, served in Malta and met his future wife there.

Census

Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at the Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (see individual entry for Frederick Lovelock).

Aldershot, Hampshire North Lane Green Gr Shop RG11 782 F101 P21

Mary Ann Russell;Other (Head);W;70;Green Grocer;Wilts, Marlborough Mary Ann Lovelock;Other (Head);M;27;Soldiers wife;Gibraltar John Lovelock;Daur [sic];;2;;Malta Charles Lovelock;Son;;3m;;Hants, Aldershot Mary E Graham;Wife;M;18;Soldier wife;Ireland, .??... Sarah Page;Wife (Head);M;29;Soldier wife;Essex, Marlow Florance [sic] E Page;Daur;;1;Hants, Aldershot

RL 27/6/07: The above is a revised transcription, following extensive discussion with Graham 20/25 Feb 2007 of aspects of the image and LDS/Ancestry transcriptions.

(i) James's rendering in the 5/3/07 gedcom - also currently [22/6/07] appearing (same data/slightly different layout) in the Lovelock website collection Hampshire 1881 Lovelock entries - was as follows:

Dwelling: North Lane Green Gr Shop Census Place: Aldershot, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341184 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0782 Folio 101 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary Ann LOVELOCK M 27 F Gibraltar Rel: Other (Head) Occ: Soldiers Wife Ann LOVELOCK 2 F ... Rel: Daur Charles LOVELOCK 3 m M Aldershot, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Mary H. GRAHAM M 18 F ..., Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Soldier Wife

(ii) Graham's previous transcription in the collection compiled to support this tree:

North Lane Green Gr Shop, Aldershot, Hants RG11 782 F101 P21

Mary Ann Russell W (sic) 70 Green Grocer Marlborough, Wilts Mary Ann Lovelock Head 27 Soldiers wife Gibraltar John Lovelock Daur(sic) 2 Malta Charles Lovelock Son 3m Aldershot, Hants Mary E Graham Wife 18 Soldiers wife Ireland ...(?) Sarah Page Wife 29 Soldiers wife Marlow, Essex Florance E Page Daur 1 Aldershot, Hants

(iii) Additional material extracted by RL from the LDS CD-ROM, where 3 'separate' 'households'(?) are shown, each with the same address and other reference details cited:

[preceding the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham] Mary Ann RUSSELL W 70 F Marlborough, Wiltshire, England Rel: Other (Head) Occ: Green Grocer

....... 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham as per James's transcription above ........

[following the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham] Sarah PAGE M 29 F Marlow, Essex, England Rel: Wife (Head) Occ: Soldier Wife Florence E. PAGE 1 F Aldershot, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur

Discussion: G 20/2: "The 2 year old child may well have been Ann, and is certainly indicated as 'Daur'. However, I am adamant that the Enumerator has written 'John' as the name. There are, of course, two examples of 'Ann' written immediately above it, and whilst they are identical in form to each other (one being slightly smaller) they are nothing like the child's name. I have included the details of everyone who was living in the Greengrocer's shop, as indicated by 'do' entries in the address column, whilst diagonal strokes from the Enumerator to the left of the names indicate members of 4 'families' as you would expect from the surnames. The last child recorded might have had the name Florence, but the Enumerator has written it as Florance. HOWEVER, a further lengthy pondering over the script does lead to one change. The Enumerator has not recorded anybody as being the Head of the household. What I and the LDS transcribers took to be 'Head' against Mary Ann Lovelock is actually 'Mar', although in that column has been added a 'W' to both Mary Ann entries. In the 'Relation to Head of Family' column there is against both Mary Anns a letter which might be a 'U' a 'W' or an 'M'. Since Mary Ann Lovelock, who's the only adult here we're really interested in, is clearly listed as a Soldier's Wife the two W's, or even the one if the other is an M, make no sense at all."

R 21/2: "(i) Re. John/Ann, Daur etc: the 1901 Sholing entry would suggest that 'Daur' rather than 'John' is the more likely error in the 1881 would it not? (I mean that to be a judgement on balance with regard to other data we have, rather than simply a 'preferential' reading of one entry vs another!) Ages given seem to fit rather well as between the two years - or am I missing something? I note Malta/Gibraltar variation re. Mary Ann's birthplace and that the H-to-H tree 'as is' has the latter. ........... (ii) James ...... seems: (a) to've taken the LDS transcription pretty much at face value - especially as regards 3 rather than 4 households/families, although that could be a slip on the transcriber's part given your observation re. the 'diagonal strokes'; (b) only to've included the Lovelock household (taken, rightly or wrongly, to include Mary E (or H!) Graham). (Malta as Ann/John's birthplace is also missing from the LDS version.) (iii) I think the Enumerator may've been trying to make sense of a complicated multi-family/multi-'household' (as defined for enumeration purposes) set-up, and to render sensibly and at the same time marital status, de facto HofH status (with absentee soldier husbands/fathers), and 'real' HofH (i.e. Head of Family as and when present) status. In that context and with other possible 'issues' involved, s/he understandably perhaps used 'W' for Wife in places as well as (maybe) for Widow - which (lacking other data that I'm aware of) Mary Ann Russell and even Mary E (or H) Graham could have been." {This interpretation implicitly/broadly agreed by GL.}

R 23/2: "...... could you kindly recheck the image you have access to re. 'Mary E'/'Mary H' ........" G 23/2: "As it happens there are three other capital aitches on the page, which are differently formed from the letter in Mary Graham's name. There are also seven capital eees which are similar to, but different to that mysterious letter. However, there are more similarities in the letter to one of the eees, in the form of two loops, that this possibly over-rides the existence of a third loop, and an additional vertical stroke to the left which is what led me to think it was an aitch. Suggest in summary that we go with an eeee."

Census

RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.

Census

19 School Road, Hound, Hampshire, England RG12 923 F79 P21

Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;37;Coal Porter;Hants, Winchester Mary Ann Lovelock;Wife;M;36;Shirt Maker;Malta John A G S Lovelock;Son;Scholar;12;;Malta Charles Lovelock;Son;;9;Scholar;Hants, Aldershot Mary Ann E Lovelock;Daur;;3m;;Hants, Sholing

RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to this entry and to the 1901s for Frederick and Mary Ann and for their son John (by then married) and his family. Agreed transcription above.

Extracts previously shown:

Supplied by Nigel Gerdes 30 Nov 2005: 19 School Rd, Hound, St Mary, Sholing, Southampton Fredrick Lovelock b ca 1854 born Winchester, Coal Porter wife Mary Ann born Malta

Supplied by Graham 12 Feb 2006: FreeCEN record: Piece: RG12/923 Place: South Stoneham-Hampshire Enumeration District: 10 Civil Parish: Hound Ecclesiastical Parish: Sholing Folio: 79 Page: 21 Schedule: 125 Address: 19 School Road Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks LOVELOCK Frederick Head M M 37 Coal Porter(Em'ee) Hampshire - Winchester LOVELOCK Mary Ann Wife M F 36 Shirt Maker(Em'ee) Overseas - British - Malta LOVELOCK John A.B.S. Son - M 12 Scholar Overseas - British - Malta LOVELOCK Charles Son - M 9 Scholar Hampshire - Aldershot LOVELOCK Mary Ann E. Daur - F 3m Hampshire - Sholing

Census

RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.

Census

RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.

Census

RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.

Census

Middle Road, Sholing, Hampshire, England RG13 1063 F67 P3

Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;49;Ships Cook;Hants, Winchester Mary A Lovelock;Wife;M;47;Malta (British Subject) Mary A Lovelock;Daur;;10;;Hants, Sholing

RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to this entry, the 1891 for Frederick and Mary Ann, and the 1901 for their son John (by then married) and his family. Agreed transcription above.

Presumably this from Nigel Gerdes 30-Nov-05: "At Sholing but now a Ship's cook. Wife born Malta (British Subject)"

Graham Lovelock, e-mail 26-Jan-06:

Middle Rd, Sholing RG13 1063 F67 P3

Frederick Lovelock Head 49 Ships Cook Winchester, Hants Mary A Lovelock Wife 47 Malta (British Subject) Mary A Lovelock Daur 10 Sholing, Hants

Census

RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. See email exchange 9/13 March 2007.

Census

46 Hawthorn Place, Middle Road, Sholing, Southampton, Hampshire, England RG14 PN6039 RG78 PN275 RD100 SD1 ED17 SN283

Frederick Lovelock;Head;57;Army Pensioner;Winchester, Hants Mary An (sic) Lovelock;Wife, married 34 years;56;Live at home;In Malta Resident England Mary Lovelock;Daur;20; Government Laundry R V Hospital Netley;Sholing, Southampton Ethel Mary lwod (?) Lovelock;Adopt child;9;;Southampton, Hants