Frederick Lovelock1853–
- Name
- Frederick Lovelock
- Given names
- Frederick
- Surname
- Lovelock
Birth | between July 1853 and September 1853 42 39 Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Birth in 3Q 1853 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 77 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: 1871 British Census Source: 1881 British Census Shared note: RL 3/7/07: See general note.
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Marriage | Mary Ann Fineck — View this family yes Source: Graham Lovelock Citation details: descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq Quality of data: primary evidence |
Death of a paternal grandfather | Thomas Lovelock about September 1854 (Age 14 months) Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Death in 3Q 1854 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 64 Quality of data: primary evidence Shared note: RL 19/3/07: GRO entry is believed to refer to this Thomas L, who we've captured in 1841 and 1851 but can't locate in later censuses. [However, see notes to son Thomas bap 1817.]
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Birth of a sister | Kate Ruth Lovelock between January 1857 and March 1857 (Age 3 years) Note: Especially exchanges 24/28 Nov 2006 and on 7/3/07.
Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1857 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 91. Text: Lovelock, Kate Ruth Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | 1861 (Age 7 years) |
Death of a sister | Kate Ruth Lovelock about October 1862 (Age 9 years) Source: Graham Lovelock Note: Especially exchange on 7/3/07.
Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Death in Winchester RD in 4Q 1862, ref 2c 53 Text: Lovelock, Ruth Kate Quality of data: primary evidence Note: See notes.
Shared note: RL 20/6/07:Graham 7/3/07: "Do we have the death detail for Kate? I don't recall it, so perhaps it wasn't on Free BMD when I was looking. The entry is in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1862, in the Winchester RD of course, ref 2c 53. The entry is under the name of Ruth Kate. This is certainly consistent with being unable to find any other mention after 1861 in any records for Kate P, Kate R, or Ruth K or Ruth Kate."
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Burial of a sister | Kate Ruth Lovelock 19 October 1862 (Age 9 years) |
Census | 1871 (Age 17 years) Source: Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: Robin Lovelock (email exchanges) Citation details: email message 14-Jul-06 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: 1871 British Census Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
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Death of a brother | John Thomas Lovelock about December 1873 (Age 20 years) Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Death in 4Q 1873 in Whitchurch (Hants) RD, ref 2c 126 Text: Lovelock, John (29) Quality of data: primary evidence Source: Robin Lovelock (email exchanges) Citation details: email message 14-Jul-06 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Birth of a son #1 | John Alfred G S Lovelock 10 November 1878 (Age 25 years) Source: Graham Lovelock Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: In particular, exchange on 21/22 Feb 2007 - re. apparently being enumerated as 'Ann; Daur' in 1881.
Source: 1881 British Census Source: 1891 British Census Source: 1901 British Census Note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
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Birth of a son #2 | Charles William Lovelock 5 January 1881 (Age 27 years) Source: Graham Lovelock Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05 Quality of data: primary evidence Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1881 in Farnham RD, ref 2a 106 Text: Charles William Lovelock Quality of data: primary evidence Source: 1881 British Census Source: GRO Index of Births Text: Farnham RD, ref 2a 106 Note: Birth and baptism details contained in 'British Armed Forces, Roman Catholic Registers' data at Findmypast website.
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Census | 1881 (Age 27 years) Source: 1881 British Census Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
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Census | Mary Ann Fineck — View this family 1881 (Age 27 years) Source: 1881 British Census Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.
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Christening of a son | Charles William Lovelock 6 February 1881 (Age 27 years) Note: Birth and baptism details contained in 'British Armed Forces, Roman Catholic Registers' data at Findmypast website.
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Death of a father | John Lovelock about December 1882 (Age 29 years) Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Death in 4Q 1882 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 67 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Death of a mother | Sarah Franklin between January 1886 and March 1886 (Age 32 years) Source: GRO Index of Deaths Text: Winchester RD, ref 2c 75 (age 69) |
Birth of a daughter #3 | Mary Amoi Catherine Eliza Lovelock 1 January 1891 (Age 37 years) Source: Graham Lovelock Citation details: descendant tree provided by email 13 Oct 05 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Birth in 1Q 1891 in South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 44 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: 1891 British Census Source: 1901 British Census Shared note: RL 17/6/07: 1Q registration, which James would normally show as "abt March", but age cited in 1891 (… Note: Date of birth included in death registration entry.
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Census | Mary Ann Fineck — View this family 1891 (Age 37 years) Source: Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
Source: Graham Lovelock Citation details: email message 12-Feb-06 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: 1891 British Census |
Marriage of a child | John Alfred G S Lovelock — Florence Butler — View this family between October 1899 and December 1899 (Age 46 years) Source: GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Marriage in 4Q 1899 in Fulham RD, ref 1a 499 Text: Names on page: Anstead, Henry George Butler, Florence Clark, Elizabeth Lovelock, John Alfred G S Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | Mary Ann Fineck — View this family 1901 (Age 47 years) Source: Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email message 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: Graham Lovelock Citation details: email message 26-Jan-06 Quality of data: primary evidence Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Source: 1901 British Census |
Marriage of a child | Charles William Lovelock — Elizabeth Catherine Walker — View this family 1 March 1902 (Age 48 years) Source: Lovelock BMDs for New Zealand (Provided by Mary Pipe; on Lovelock Web site at: http://lovelock.free.fr/documents/nz-bmds-1840-2015.html) Text: 1902 LOVELOCK Charles William 5908 Marriage Shared note: RL 21/6/07: |
Census | 1911 (Age 57 years) |
Marriage of a child | John James Morant — Mary Amoi Catherine Eliza Lovelock — View this family between October 1912 and December 1912 (Age 59 years) Source: GRO Index of Marriages Text: South Stoneham RD, ref 2c 223 |
Death of a wife | Mary Ann Fineck between January 1925 and March 1925 (Age 71 years) Source: GRO Index of Deaths Text: Southampton RD, ref 2c 11 (age 71) (registered as Mary A T K Lovelock) |
Death of a sister | Eliza Lovelock between October 1938 and December 1938 (Age 85 years) Source: GRO Index of Deaths Text: Kensington RD, ref 1a 145 (age 87) |
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Death | yes |
Family with parents |
father |
John Lovelock Birth: about 1811 32 23 Death: about December 1882 — Winchester RD, Winchester, Hampshire, England |
mother |
Sarah Franklin Birth: between 1814 and 1816 — Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: between January 1886 and March 1886 |
Marriage: 24 December 1843 — Chilcomb, Hampshire, England |
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11 months elder brother |
John Thomas Lovelock Birth: between October 1844 and November 1844 33 30 — Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: about December 1873 — Whitchurch RD, Whitchurch, Hampshire, England |
3 years elder sister |
Mary E Lovelock Birth: between October 1847 and December 1847 36 33 — Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: |
3 years elder sister |
Eliza Lovelock Birth: between 1849 and 1850 38 35 — Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: between October 1938 and December 1938 |
5 years himself |
Frederick Lovelock Birth: between July 1853 and September 1853 42 39 — Winnall, Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: |
4 years younger sister |
Kate Ruth Lovelock Birth: between January 1857 and March 1857 46 43 — Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: about October 1862 — Winchester RD, Winchester, Hampshire, England |
Family with Mary Ann Fineck |
himself |
Frederick Lovelock Birth: between July 1853 and September 1853 42 39 — Winnall, Winchester, Hampshire, England Death: |
wife |
Mary Ann Fineck Birth: between 1854 and 1855 — Valletta, Malta Death: between January 1925 and March 1925 |
Marriage: — |
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son |
John Alfred G S Lovelock Birth: 10 November 1878 25 24 — Malta Death: between April 1972 and June 1972 |
2 years son |
Charles William Lovelock Birth: 5 January 1881 27 27 — Aldershot, Hampshire, England Death: 1970 — Dunedin, New Zealand |
10 years daughter |
Mary Amoi Catherine Eliza Lovelock Birth: 1 January 1891 37 37 — Sholing, Hampshire, England Death: between July 1971 and September 1971 |
Birth | GRO - FreeBMD Citation details: Birth in 3Q 1853 in Winchester RD, ref 2c 77 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Birth | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Birth | 1871 British Census |
Birth | 1881 British Census |
Marriage | Graham Lovelock Citation details: descendant tree provided 10-Oct-05 et seq Quality of data: primary evidence |
Marriage | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Census | Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | Robin Lovelock (email exchanges) Citation details: email message 14-Jul-06 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | 1871 British Census |
Census | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Census | Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007 Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
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Census | 1881 British Census |
Census | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Census | Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007 Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
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Census | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Census | 1881 British Census |
Census | Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007 Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 27-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note.
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Census | Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann.
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Census | Graham Lovelock Citation details: email message 12-Feb-06 Quality of data: primary evidence Note: RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record.
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Census | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Census | Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007 Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | 1891 British Census |
Census | Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email message 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | Graham Lovelock Citation details: email message 26-Jan-06 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Census | Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007 Citation details: agreed transcription added RL 28-Jun-07 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Census | 1901 British Census |
Source | Robin Lovelock, updated gedcom 24-Aug-07 Publication: Updated gedcom file provided by Robin Lovelock 24 Aug 2007. Includes contributions from Graham Lovelock |
Source | Originating email discussion |
Source | Nigel Gerdes Citation details: email correspondence 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Source | Graham Lovelock Citation details: email message 30-Nov-05 Quality of data: primary evidence |
Source | GEDCOM file as uploaded to Lovelock website 5 March 2007; created by James Loveluck and exported from his [Legacy] database. |
Source | Robin Lovelock & Graham Lovelock: email discussions July 2006/July 2007 Note: In particular, 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007.
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Birth | RL 3/7/07: See general note. |
Marriage | Family detail from the 1891 and 1901 censuses. Suspect th e two oldest children may be from a previous marriage of Mary Ann's. RL 16/6/07: The above note has been entered from the earlier HTML version of the tree; the speculation may therefore have been Graham's - or it may have been associated with 'Fragment 6' ('the Wesmill tree') - although in fact both John and Charles are shown there as born in Aldershot (in 1878/9 and 1880/1 respectively) - or it may emanate from discussion around merging the latter with Graham's initial version of the Hants-to-Hereford tree . However that may be, additional data now seems to have 'overtaken' the conjecture. Given the 1881 entry - or rather entries - Frederick and Mary Ann seem to have been married by early 1881 at the latest, and Charles's birth fits with a relatively recent marriage around then. John, however, could still have been born in Malta, <i>and</i> fathered by Frederick, in or out of wedlock; it seems a reasonable assumption that Frederick, as a soldier, served in Malta and met his future wife there. |
Census | 11 Cheesehill Street, Winchester, St Peter Cheesehill RG9 693 F43 P5 John Lovelock;Head;M;50;Bricklayer's Labourer;Hants, Winchester Sarah Lovelock;Wife;M;44;;Hants, Winchester John T Lovelock;Son;U;16;Porter;Hants, Winchester Mary E Lovelock;Daur;;13;Scholar;Hants, Winchester Eliza Lovelock;Daur;;11;Scholar;Hants, Winchester Frederick Lovelock;Son;7;Scholar;Hants, Winchester Kate P [sic] Lovelock;Daur;4;Scholar;Hants, Winchester |
Census | Stoke Damerel, Devon Raglan Barracks RG10 2129 F86 P17 Includes: Frederick Lovelock;U;17;Private Soldier, 2/2 Queens;Hants, Wimell [sic] [also Edward Lovelock;U;16;Private Soldier, 1/2 Queens;Ireland] RL 27/6/07: Re. 'Wimell', see general note. |
Census | RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007. |
Census | Aldershot, Hampshire Institution:"Army Hospital Corps Depot" RG11 785 F62 P11 Includes: Frederick Lovelock;Soldier;M;27;Second Corporal Army Hospital Corps;Hants, Weemill [LDS transcription - previously included here - has 'Wesmill'] RL 27/6/07: His family appear separately (not at Army Depot) - see 1881 family entry. Re. 'Wesmill'/'Weemill'/Winnall, see general note. |
Census | RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007. |
Census | Note: Frederick Lovelock was not present, since he was at the Army Hospital Corps Depot Aldershot (see individual entry for Frederick Lovelock). Aldershot, Hampshire North Lane Green Gr Shop RG11 782 F101 P21 Mary Ann Russell;Other (Head);W;70;Green Grocer;Wilts, Marlborough Mary Ann Lovelock;Other (Head);M;27;Soldiers wife;Gibraltar John Lovelock;Daur [sic];;2;;Malta Charles Lovelock;Son;;3m;;Hants, Aldershot Mary E Graham;Wife;M;18;Soldier wife;Ireland, .??... Sarah Page;Wife (Head);M;29;Soldier wife;Essex, Marlow Florance [sic] E Page;Daur;;1;Hants, Aldershot RL 27/6/07: The above is a revised transcription, following extensive discussion with Graham 20/25 Feb 2007 of aspects of the image and LDS/Ancestry transcriptions. (i) James's rendering in the 5/3/07 gedcom - also currently [22/6/07] appearing (same data/slightly different layout) in the Lovelock website collection Hampshire 1881 Lovelock entries - was as follows: Dwelling: North Lane Green Gr Shop Census Place: Aldershot, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341184 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0782 Folio 101 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary Ann LOVELOCK M 27 F Gibraltar Rel: Other (Head) Occ: Soldiers Wife Ann LOVELOCK 2 F ... Rel: Daur Charles LOVELOCK 3 m M Aldershot, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Mary H. GRAHAM M 18 F ..., Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Soldier Wife (ii) Graham's previous transcription in the collection compiled to support this tree: North Lane Green Gr Shop, Aldershot, Hants RG11 782 F101 P21 Mary Ann Russell W (sic) 70 Green Grocer Marlborough, Wilts Mary Ann Lovelock Head 27 Soldiers wife Gibraltar John Lovelock Daur(sic) 2 Malta Charles Lovelock Son 3m Aldershot, Hants Mary E Graham Wife 18 Soldiers wife Ireland ...(?) Sarah Page Wife 29 Soldiers wife Marlow, Essex Florance E Page Daur 1 Aldershot, Hants (iii) Additional material extracted by RL from the LDS CD-ROM, where 3 'separate' 'households'(?) are shown, each with the same address and other reference details cited: [preceding the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham] Mary Ann RUSSELL W 70 F Marlborough, Wiltshire, England Rel: Other (Head) Occ: Green Grocer ....... 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham as per James's transcription above ........ [following the 3 Lovelocks and Mary Graham] Sarah PAGE M 29 F Marlow, Essex, England Rel: Wife (Head) Occ: Soldier Wife Florence E. PAGE 1 F Aldershot, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur Discussion: G 20/2: "The 2 year old child may well have been Ann, and is certainly indicated as 'Daur'. However, I am adamant that the Enumerator has written 'John' as the name. There are, of course, two examples of 'Ann' written immediately above it, and whilst they are identical in form to each other (one being slightly smaller) they are nothing like the child's name. I have included the details of everyone who was living in the Greengrocer's shop, as indicated by 'do' entries in the address column, whilst diagonal strokes from the Enumerator to the left of the names indicate members of 4 'families' as you would expect from the surnames. The last child recorded might have had the name Florence, but the Enumerator has written it as Florance. HOWEVER, a further lengthy pondering over the script does lead to one change. The Enumerator has not recorded anybody as being the Head of the household. What I and the LDS transcribers took to be 'Head' against Mary Ann Lovelock is actually 'Mar', although in that column has been added a 'W' to both Mary Ann entries. In the 'Relation to Head of Family' column there is against both Mary Anns a letter which might be a 'U' a 'W' or an 'M'. Since Mary Ann Lovelock, who's the only adult here we're really interested in, is clearly listed as a Soldier's Wife the two W's, or even the one if the other is an M, make no sense at all." R 21/2: "(i) Re. John/Ann, Daur etc: the 1901 Sholing entry would suggest that 'Daur' rather than 'John' is the more likely error in the 1881 would it not? (I mean that to be a judgement on balance with regard to other data we have, rather than simply a 'preferential' reading of one entry vs another!) Ages given seem to fit rather well as between the two years - or am I missing something? I note Malta/Gibraltar variation re. Mary Ann's birthplace and that the H-to-H tree 'as is' has the latter. ........... (ii) James ...... seems: (a) to've taken the LDS transcription pretty much at face value - especially as regards 3 rather than 4 households/families, although that could be a slip on the transcriber's part given your observation re. the 'diagonal strokes'; (b) only to've included the Lovelock household (taken, rightly or wrongly, to include Mary E (or H!) Graham). (Malta as Ann/John's birthplace is also missing from the LDS version.) (iii) I think the Enumerator may've been trying to make sense of a complicated multi-family/multi-'household' (as defined for enumeration purposes) set-up, and to render sensibly and at the same time marital status, de facto HofH status (with absentee soldier husbands/fathers), and 'real' HofH (i.e. Head of Family as and when present) status. In that context and with other possible 'issues' involved, s/he understandably perhaps used 'W' for Wife in places as well as (maybe) for Widow - which (lacking other data that I'm aware of) Mary Ann Russell and even Mary E (or H) Graham could have been." {This interpretation implicitly/broadly agreed by GL.} R 23/2: "...... could you kindly recheck the image you have access to re. 'Mary E'/'Mary H' ........" G 23/2: "As it happens there are three other capital aitches on the page, which are differently formed from the letter in Mary Graham's name. There are also seven capital eees which are similar to, but different to that mysterious letter. However, there are more similarities in the letter to one of the eees, in the form of two loops, that this possibly over-rides the existence of a third loop, and an additional vertical stroke to the left which is what led me to think it was an aitch. Suggest in summary that we go with an eeee." |
Census | RL 27/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. Discussed, in particular, during exchange 20/23 Feb 2007, leading to revised transcription - see note. |
Census | 19 School Road, Hound, Hampshire, England RG12 923 F79 P21 Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;37;Coal Porter;Hants, Winchester Mary Ann Lovelock;Wife;M;36;Shirt Maker;Malta John A G S Lovelock;Son;Scholar;12;;Malta Charles Lovelock;Son;;9;Scholar;Hants, Aldershot Mary Ann E Lovelock;Daur;;3m;;Hants, Sholing RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to this entry and to the 1901s for Frederick and Mary Ann and for their son John (by then married) and his family. Agreed transcription above. Extracts previously shown: Supplied by Nigel Gerdes 30 Nov 2005: 19 School Rd, Hound, St Mary, Sholing, Southampton Fredrick Lovelock b ca 1854 born Winchester, Coal Porter wife Mary Ann born Malta Supplied by Graham 12 Feb 2006: FreeCEN record: Piece: RG12/923 Place: South Stoneham-Hampshire Enumeration District: 10 Civil Parish: Hound Ecclesiastical Parish: Sholing Folio: 79 Page: 21 Schedule: 125 Address: 19 School Road Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks LOVELOCK Frederick Head M M 37 Coal Porter(Em'ee) Hampshire - Winchester LOVELOCK Mary Ann Wife M F 36 Shirt Maker(Em'ee) Overseas - British - Malta LOVELOCK John A.B.S. Son - M 12 Scholar Overseas - British - Malta LOVELOCK Charles Son - M 9 Scholar Hampshire - Aldershot LOVELOCK Mary Ann E. Daur - F 3m Hampshire - Sholing |
Census | RL 24/6/07: Nigel seems to've supplied the (partial) extract including only Frederick and wife Mary Ann. |
Census | RL 24/6/07: Graham supplied the FreeCen record. |
Census | RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. See email exchange 9/13 March 2007. |
Census | Middle Road, Sholing, Hampshire, England RG13 1063 F67 P3 Frederick Lovelock;Head;M;49;Ships Cook;Hants, Winchester Mary A Lovelock;Wife;M;47;Malta (British Subject) Mary A Lovelock;Daur;;10;;Hants, Sholing RL 28/6/07: See email discussion with Graham concerning Hound/Sholing/Southampton/Hampshire, 9/13 March 2007 - re. which is the most appropriate census place/parish to cite; relevant to this entry, the 1891 for Frederick and Mary Ann, and the 1901 for their son John (by then married) and his family. Agreed transcription above. Presumably this from Nigel Gerdes 30-Nov-05: "At Sholing but now a Ship's cook. Wife born Malta (British Subject)" Graham Lovelock, e-mail 26-Jan-06: Middle Rd, Sholing RG13 1063 F67 P3 Frederick Lovelock Head 49 Ships Cook Winchester, Hants Mary A Lovelock Wife 47 Malta (British Subject) Mary A Lovelock Daur 10 Sholing, Hants |
Census | RL 28/6/07: Replaced a previous transcription - small additions/differences. See email exchange 9/13 March 2007. |
Census | 46 Hawthorn Place, Middle Rd, Sholing, Southampton, Hampshire, England RG14 PN6039 RG78 PN275 RD100 SD1 ED17 SN283 Frederick Lovelock;Head;57;Army Pensioner;Winchester, Hants Mary An (sic) Lovelock;Wife, married 34 years;56;Live at home;In Malta Resident England Mary Lovelock;Daur;20; Government Laundry R V Hospital Netley;Sholing, Southampton Ethel Mary lwod (?) Lovelock;Adopt child;9;;Southampton, Hants |
Shared note | [<i>RL 21/6/07: 'Fragment 6' shows the following for Freder ick: b:abt 1850, Wesmill, Hampshire, England. Naval Officer (corporal) at Aldershot</i>] Nigel Gerdes - e-mail 29 Nov 05: "Frederick who is at the head of the Hampshire Wesmill tree has a lot of overlap with the Frederick b 3Q 1853 Winchester RD in the new data. Christian name of wife, children names and dates .... abroad .... perhaps one and the same person." - e-mail 30-Nov-05: "I cannot find Wesmill in Hampshire should it be Westmill or Westhill?" Graham Lovelock -e-mail 30-Nov-05: "I agree that the 1871 entry for Frederick does read as Wimell, but I am personally now in no doubt that WINNALL is what is intended." RL 9/3/07 (effectively expanding the above): Exchange with Graham 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007: G: "...... the matter of 'Wesmill'. The 1871 entry looks very much to me like 'Wimell', just as Ancestry has transcribed it. But the 1881 entry is definitely NOT 'Wesmill', as the letter that would be an 's' is not formed like other examples on the page. To me it is clearly 'Weemill'. I believe the place in question must be Winall, as there's no other place in Hants that I know of that would fit the bill." R: [Viewed 1871 image (S&N) and agree 'Wimell'; can't view the 1881 image.] "I agree ... it's most likely "Winnall" - which is spelt thus I believe; not too far-fetched a mis-hearing on the Enumerator's part in 1871 and 1881. It's right on the edge of Winchester itself as you probably know. Genuki says it's 'three quarters of a mile N.E. of Winchester .... [and] .... partly comprised within the borough .......' The latter point may or may not explain why little Frederick is stated as born 'Winchester' in 1851 (Hyde St) and 1861 (11 Cheesehill St). Why he should say later he was born in Winnall if he wasn't, who knows? Perhaps he WAS! The family moved around quite a bit, albeit 'locally'. Certainly hard to believe "Winnall" could come across as "Winchester"!" Chelsea Pensioner data shows that Frederick enlisted on 19 Aug 1870 and was discharged on 26 Mar 1881. He saw service in Malta which is presumably where he met and married his wife. At his discharge he was stated to be suffering from Bright's Disease (an affliction of the kidneys). |
Source | In particular, 31 Jan/1 Feb 2007. |